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Mizar Amatali
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Posted - 2010.08.23 09:19:00 -
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Ok first of i would like to say my skills are pretty good - with 5 in astro and 4 in all suport skills.
Second id like to point out i did TONS of scaning under old system mostly in 0.0 (omist at that time)
Thirdly as im not disabled or color blind (to my knowledge) i cant really comment on that issues.
All that said heres what i think - OP makes it seems worse than it really is but actualy has made valid points. In old system scanning itself was boring and easy - but getting it done efficently required thinking and much work making probing BMs (i still have around 300 for omist alone). All you people who point out to "scan and wait" method as all there was to probing are plainly wrong. Aditionaly,in the old system skills did matter and equipement you used also did matter. Harder sites (DED 8/10 up) were AT THE limit of my skills, granted i spent 10,s of hours by planing and making probing BMs in neighobring constelations and as far as i know getting PERFECT coverage for them. So no old system was not only about waiting for scan to end up as before you had to put much work in it, surely it wasnt mindless.
So actually getting better skills and sisters equipement allowed you acces to sites otherwise un-probale. So yes there is a lot of difference.
Then there is issue with interface itself - as OP pointed out astro 5 allows you to probe 2 sites at a time - this is theory. In practice the interface makes it inefficent - your better of, in terms of time, scanning one site after another because the time (and pain) of setting 8 probes is not worth it. That is a real issue as UI does not allow you to use skills you trained. This issue is even more valid when probing ships - they are not static and time needed to set probes (whatever system you try to use - scouting/pinning) makes scaning ships hard unless its mission runner/afk.
So in my opinion new system could use some touches - im not claiming the right to judge which was better i just want to point out that there are flaws in new system:
1. bad interface
2. too easy scaning
3 you can scan pretty much everything with medicore skills
Of course you may disregard point 2 and maybe because i may be biased because of tons of people scanning out "my" sites but consider work/profit thing. Of course better skills allow you too probe a little faster (skiping ranges by two or even three steps). Thing is that people who trained skills higher than usual 4/3 get almost no benefit from them.
This was mostly on sites scan - ship scan benefits more from higher skills efficency so the problem is less visible here (unless interface problems pointed out above are discussed).
Flame On 
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Mizar Amatali
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Posted - 2010.08.23 11:16:00 -
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Also as a side note this thread would surely use less hostility and less "me better than you" and "you dont get it argumrents" 
May people make valid points supporting both systems most seem to agree both systems were/are lacking. Whats to argue about.
To people doing DS argument - sure you are right but most systems can be covered with "normal" probes so whats the point ? This is a serious question not to troll or say "youre wrong stfu".
Flame On
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Mizar Amatali
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Posted - 2010.08.23 12:07:00 -
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Tippia- right and why do you need less varied results achieved by weeker more distant probes (variables with lesser impact on the result) when you can get better and more accurate hits on first scan with normal probes ?
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Mizar Amatali
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Posted - 2010.08.23 12:19:00 -
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Ok seems everyone has a system of his own - thanks for the answer.
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Mizar Amatali
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Posted - 2010.08.23 22:05:00 -
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Celia nice write up  - and yes its true in old system you knew what you are scaning on first hit. And that was because scanning itself was more time consuming so there was actually a reason to analyze more (ye im lazy bastard)to save up a reasonable quantity of time. Now i dont feel like it - im around 15 seconds away from knowing what kind of site it is anyway - im not sure that looking it up by sig str takes less time.
Flame On
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Mizar Amatali
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Posted - 2010.08.24 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Mizar Amatali on 24/08/2010 12:34:23
Edited by: Mizar Amatali on 24/08/2010 12:32:43
^^ thats all for a "civil" thread - not that i seen one in my life....
And yes as i stated i scan whole constelations no matter what they conatin as no-use for me site can be other people dream - i dont have mining skills and dont care about mining but to some people large mercoxit arkonor bla bla bla is good.
And under current system i dont see any real profits from doing a probe "drive-by" especilly since you decide - oh there is 9/10 possible - i want it you have to:
1. recollect probes
2. launch a new set (good luck since you are on null sec gate)
3. set a new set of probes
4. scan the site down
As opposed to normal probes covering systems:
1. re set probes position
2. scan away
Yes you may waste your time while normal probes borkd results makes you scan some stupid thing - but consider time loss taking into account how often youre results are wrong.
Of course if you are hunting only for 10/10 then drive by is greatmethod (done it many times) but consider "you" own a region - wheres the rush ?
Having said all that i just want to make clear - i dont use that method which of course dosent mean its not a very good method. I just want to say that unless you hunt for 10/10 and only them there is not much profit in it - and surely not enough to make you train astro 5 (unless for BO bridging heheh)
Oh one more thing consider isk/h on only 10/10 sites (limited supply) and running everything (almost infinite supply.
The other thing its not possible t reliably scan out all 10/10 in region before ANYONE else does.
Oh heres another one - consider chances for escalation doing 10 sites opposed to doing 1-2 of them.
Flame ON
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Mizar Amatali
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Posted - 2010.08.24 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: Mizar Amatali on 24/08/2010 13:35:51
Ankbar - time is an issue not resolved by in-game mechanics :)
But you are, right if you got like 30 min at a time best to try to get best site there is. Only i got a feeling that you may end up with pretty much nothing as oposed to doing closest radar (terrible sites  ) and get your 40 mil in that 30 minutes no problem.
Anyway due to how much people recomend (almost stating "the only good way to probe") ill look into DSP again as soon as i get some time for it.
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